An Ol’ Broad’s Ramblings

February 16, 2007

You Have No Say

Filed under: ACLU, Education — olbroad @ 12:35

‘State interest’ argued in teaching homosexuality
Lawyer for parent says school’s agenda amounts to ‘indoctrination’

Lawyers representing a Massachusetts school district named as a defendant in a parent’s civil rights complaint have said teachers at Estabrook Elementary School have a “legitimate state interest” in teaching the homosexual lifestyle, and parents have no input into those decisions.

Excuse me? I don’t think I quite caught that. I pay your salary, but don’t get a say in what my children are taught, or not taught?

“The state must fight ‘discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation’ in ways that ‘do not perpetuate stereotypes,'” the lawyers for the school district argued. They also explained to the judge that, in their opinion, parents have no right to control what ideas the school presents to elementary schoolchildren, and if parents disagree with that dictate, they can take their children elsewhere.

Teaching kids not to hate someone because he/she might be different is one thing, pushing an agenda against the wishes of the parent is a whole ‘nuther matter!

“Once I have elected to send my child to public school, my fundamental right does not allow me to direct what my child is exposed to in the public school,” said the school’s lawyer.

WRONG! Indoctrination is not what a parents tax money is paying for, at any level. Yet, that’s exactly what they are getting for their money….flat out brain washing.

“American values rely on religion. Religious rights trump the secular. Parents have the right to direct the moral upbringing of their children,” said Sinsheimer. “It is the Constitution that protects the minority segment from the majority… The Parkers choose to send their children to the Lexington Public Schools to be part of the fabric of the community.”

A school’s job is to teach many subjects. Instead of force feeding “diversity”, shouldn’t kids be able to read, write, add and subtract? Shouldn’t they be able to function in the world once they are pushed out of school (graduate)?

An ACLU lawyer, however, told the judge that “it is a tremendous bonus” for children to be given information of which their parents wouldn’t approve, and that teaching children homosexuality when their parents’ Biblical beliefs do not support that has nothing to do with a violation of religious freedom, according to the MassResistance.org reports.

Hogwash, pure and simple. Any question what the ACLU’s agenda might be? It’s no longer a “slippery slope”. It’s a full on, mad dash, runaway train, and it’s going to wreck, right in our homes.

Read more at Stop the ACLU.

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12 Comments »

  1. “American values rely on religion. Religious rights trump the secular. Parents have the right to direct the moral upbringing of their children,” said Sinsheimer. “It is the Constitution that protects the minority segment from the majority… The Parkers choose to send their children to the Lexington Public Schools to be part of the fabric of the community.”

    This is what I have a problem with. Religious rights DO NOT trump secular rights. I’m sick of religious fanatics interfering with schools because they students are being taught things that aren’t consistent with the parents’ religious beliefs.

    For example, when a parent thinks he has the right to stop schools from teaching evolution, the very foundation of biology, I get a little pissed off.

    Should parents have input regarding the school’s cirriculum? You bet. But this looks like another case of some religious pricks bullying their way into the schools system.

    Comment by Jayce — February 16, 2007 @ 8:57

  2. So, you think it’s ok to force feed 8 year olds “alternative lifestyles”?

    I’m afraid I have to disagree. WE pay for the schools with OUR tax dollars. Yes, we should be able to say what our kids are taught, and not taught.

    As for evolution being the foundation of biology? I’m going to have to disagree with that too, since there was biology BEFORE Darwin went on his cruise. It’s still a theory. 🙂

    Comment by olbroad — February 16, 2007 @ 9:34

  3. I think it’s great to teach 8 year olds that some people are different. But let’s be honest about what they’re actually going to be teaching them. Don’t go “Yvonne Braun” crazy on me.

    As I said, it’s perfectly acceptable for parents to have a voice for their concerns about what schools are teaching. But it pisses me off when they do so on religious grounds and when it cheapens the educational value of our schools. I’m not saying this particular case does, however. But it is a slippery slope.

    And not to hijack, but you really need to stop saying “it’s still a theory.” That is no different than saying our galaxy, the Milky Way, is still just a chocolate covered candy bar. Theory and guess are two different things.
    And you won’t find any biology professors who don’t believe evolution to be a foundation of biology. That would be like saying gravity isn’t the foundation of our solar system.

    Comment by Jayce — February 16, 2007 @ 10:34

  4. That’s right, Olbroad: the high priests of “Science” have spoken, so the rest of us peasants ought to just shut up.

    Too funny…..

    Comment by Calvin — February 16, 2007 @ 3:15

  5. Well, did the baby finally stop crying already?

    Comment by Jayce — February 16, 2007 @ 3:24

  6. Don’t know; haven’t seen any. Did the thug evolve a conscience?

    Comment by Calvin — February 16, 2007 @ 3:37

  7. Ok, kids, play nice or I’ll have to put you in separate corners. 🙂

    Comment by olbroad — February 16, 2007 @ 4:15

  8. Comment by Jayce — February 16, 2007 @ 4:56

  9. Jayce, while I appreciate you stopping by, and I have enjoyed the debates between you and Cal, when it comes to bad mouthing each other, I’m going to draw the line. This isn’t the place for slamming anyone. Sorry. Link deleted.

    Comment by olbroad — February 16, 2007 @ 5:46

  10. Olbroad, I’m sorry for the harsh atmosphere on several of these posts over the past few months. To be honest, I still think myself justified, but I should have been more considerate of the atmosphere for the rest of the commenters.

    I guess I know how far my patience goes now, at least! That knowledge will be helpful in politics someday!

    Comment by Calvin — February 16, 2007 @ 7:59

  11. I can’t link to a blog post where I counter Cal’s poor argument?

    That’s cool I guess. I’m not sure why that would be the line, but it’s your blog, your rules. Personally, I would draw the line when a poster calls out another poster for being unethical, immoral, etc, depsite the obviousness of the opposite. But that’s just me…

    Comment by Jaycec — February 16, 2007 @ 8:21

  12. Actually, you both were getting out of line, and I think you both know it. A clean debate is a good thing, and I welcome it.

    Shake? 🙂

    Comment by olbroad — February 16, 2007 @ 9:09


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