An Ol’ Broad’s Ramblings

March 13, 2007

The General’s Opinion

Filed under: Politically INcorrect, U.S. Military — olbroad @ 8:43

Gay advocates demand apology from Pace

A gay advocacy group Tuesday demanded an apology from the Pentagon’s top general for calling homosexuality immoral.

Umm…no….no, he shouldn’t apologize. Why apologize for something you believe? It wouldn’t be a real apology, now would it.

“General Pace’s comments are outrageous, insensitive and disrespectful to the 65,000 lesbian and gay troops now serving in our armed forces,” the advocacy group Servicemembers Legal Defense Network said in a statement on its Web site.

Outrageous? No, I don’t think so. Insensitive? Probably. Disrespectful? Hmmm… not sure.

“I believe homosexual acts between two individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts,” Pace was quoted as saying in the newspaper interview. “I do not believe the United States is well served by a policy that says it is OK to be immoral in any way.”

He believes homosexuality is immoral, based on his Christian upbringing. As a matter of fact, so do I. Just as I believe that stealing, lying, cheating, envy, etc., are immoral.

“As an individual, I would not want (acceptance of gay behavior) to be our policy, just like I would not want it to be our policy that if we were to find out that so-and-so was sleeping with somebody else’s wife, that we would just look the other way, which we do not. We prosecute that kind of immoral behavior,” he said.

Well, he’s right. Condoning adultery isn’t such a great idea.

“Right now there are men and women that are in the battle lines, that are in the trenches, they’re serving their country,” Vizcaino said. “Their sexual orientation has nothing to do with their capability to serve in the U.S. military.”

And that is also true. I don’t believe a person’s ability to serve his or her country is bases in sexual orientation.

I have the utmost respect for any man or woman who volunteers to serve in the military. What their orientation, religion, or color of their eyes, has to do with their ability to serve? I have no idea!

I think the major problem here isn’t the advocacy groups (of all types) aren’t just asking to be treated equally.  I think the problem stems from them demanding special treatment.  Quit pushing people to accept things they cannot accept.  Ask to be accepted as an individual, it would be a LOT easier, on everyone.

It’s not my job to judge anyone.  I can have opinions, I can voice those opinions, thanks to the men and women who have served, and are serving.  It doesn’t much matter what their orientation might be.  I’m free because of them!

Side note:  Saw a guy, I think, on O’Reilly last night talking about “San Fransisco values”.  I gotta tell ya, it’s really hard to take a person dressed as a medieval nun, with white paint and flamboyant make up, seriously.

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12 Comments »

  1. Asking bigots to appologize is a stupid idea for exactly the reasons you point out.

    This is why I often argue these secular vs. religion topics – I think the Bible is a horrible reference for morality. Stuningly horrible, in fact.

    I think the problem stems from them demanding special treatment.

    This makes absolutely no sense to me. They are asking to be treated like everyone else, but for some strange reason you think that means they want special treatment.

    Comment by Jayce — March 13, 2007 @ 9:22

  2. Your logic seems to me on par with my spelling today 🙂

    Comment by Jayce — March 13, 2007 @ 9:23

  3. Example: The Hate Crimes bill. Obviously, if you are beating the crap out of someone, it doesn’t matter what their orientation is, what color their skin is, or their religion, you obiviously hate them. Enforce laws on the books, or make them tougher for ALL. Don’t create special ones for certain groups. Beating the crap out of anyone for any reason is wrong!

    Comment by olbroad — March 13, 2007 @ 9:46

  4. But are you beating the crap out of that person specifically because they are gay, or black, or hispanic, or Jewish If that person was a White, Straight, Christian would you still be beating the shit out of them? If the answer is no, then there is a special circumstance as to why you hate them, and why you are injuring them. Was Jame Bird dragged to his death because he was a person? Or because he was a BLACK person? The Hate Crimes Bill is absolutely appropriate, because there ARE people being assaulted, and killed because of the fact that they are not a specific race, religion, or sexual orientation. There are SPECIAL circumstances for the crime being committed.

    Comment by Sean — March 13, 2007 @ 10:06

  5. And it’s all wrong. I’ve seen short guys getting beat up. Why, because they are short and people are idiots. Should we have a law that says you can’t pick on the short person? No, we have laws that say you do NOT beat the crap out of anyone, for any reason.

    Comment by olbroad — March 13, 2007 @ 10:15

  6. An AOL News poll showed nearly 271,000 votes as of 1:45pm EDT. The margin is two to one in favor of SUPPORT for General Pace’s comments regarding gays in the military.

    How do you feel about Pace’s comments?
    Agree 65% (~176,000)
    Disagree 33%
    Not sure 3%
    Total Votes: 270,644

    I applaud General Peter Pace for taking the correct stand on this matter. His comments are right on target. There is NO REASON for him to apologize to anyone. His personal beliefs are his own and NO ONE need apologize for their personal beliefs. While I agree that he should be loving and respectful in his statements and (more importantly) actions, being forced to accept and celebrate the choice of homosexual behavior is NOT something anyone should be confronted with — military or civilian.
    These gay advocacy groups need to sit down and shut up! There is NOTHING “outrageous” or “insensitive” in what General Pace said in the interview. I listened to part of his comments. He was soft-spoken and respectful, but also firm in his resolve. Pace answered one question with a very straightforward and truthful answer, “The US Military’s mission fundamentally rests on the trust, confidence, cooperation amongst its members, and the homosexual lifestyle does not comport with that kind of trust and confidence and therefore is not supported within the US military. I’ll leave it at that.”
    Homosexuality *is* an immoral act. It is NOT natural, normal or moral. The lifestyle choice is rife with promiscuity, predatorship and infidelity — all matters that point to trust, confidence and cooperation. General Pace should be applauded for standing his ground and speaking the truth.
    I, personally, plan to be active in the fight against these homosexual advocacy groups as they seek to villainize General Pace. Here’s hoping you will join the fight as well. It’s high time conservatives (especially Christians) stand up for our beliefs and convictions.

    Comment by CharlieJ — March 13, 2007 @ 11:52

  7. The bigots just seem to pop right out of the woodwork, don’t they?

    Well, CharlieJ… where to begin…

    I do agree with you that he shouldn’t have to apologize, just like I shouldn’t have to apologize for calling you the bigot that you are. As Kate correctly pointed out – it wouldn’t mean anything anyway. Kind of like a Michael Richards apology I suppose.

    Your poll doesn’t mean much other than to show how far we still need to come as a country in the way of tolerance. I imagine there were plenty like you who, in arguing against freeing slaves, pointed out how the majority were in favor of the abhorrence (as an interesting note, the same book you use to show that homosexuality is wrong was, in fact, used by the south to protect slavery).

    choice of homosexual behavior

    I remember when you people used to say the “choice to be homosexual.” An obvious misstatement, you’ve now chosen to hate the act rather than the fact that some people are, through no choice of their own, simply attracted to the same sex. Just as I can’t help but love my wife, gays can’t help but love who they love as well. Who are you to tell them that they shouldn’t act on that feeling?

    These gay advocacy groups need to sit down and shut up!

    Wow – that’s one hell of a scary statement. I don’t want anyone to “sit down and shut up” for what they believe in. Fighting for equal rights is an admirable action in my book.

    “The US Military’s mission fundamentally rests on the trust, confidence, cooperation amongst its members, and the homosexual lifestyle does not comport with that kind of trust and confidence and therefore is not supported within the US military. I’ll leave it at that.”

    This is a remarkably illogical and homophobic thing to say. I’d love, LOVE, to hear you try and defend it with any type of logic. Please don’t leave me hanging…

    Homosexuality *is* an immoral act

    No, it *isn’t*. You can make that claim if you, like so many others, decide to cherry pick which parts of the Bible you believe.

    It is NOT natural, normal or moral. The lifestyle choice is rife with promiscuity, predatorship and infidelity — all matters that point to trust, confidence and cooperation.

    No… it’s not. Does anyone else hear hillbilly music playing in the back of their head when that statement is read?

    Comment by Jayce — March 13, 2007 @ 1:57

  8. I don’t know of any homosexuals who have been discriminated against. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, it does. I’ve had people discriminate against me, because I’m female, because I’m Christian, and obviously, because I have major attitude. 🙂

    I do know of people, male and female, who HAVE chosen the homosexual lifestyle, for one reason or another. However, not all choose, so I can agree with ya on that Jayce.

    Actually, according to what we have been taught, read, and realized for ourselves, yes, it is immoral. You can call me a bigot because I disagree with your stance, but that’s just as absurd as me calling you one because you don’t like “hillbilly” music. :/

    I have known gays in the military. Most, I would trust with my life. There are a few I wouldn’t trust with my hairbrush, but then, there are some heterosexuals that fall in that catagory as well.

    So, we can all agree to disagree on some of this stuff, ok? 🙂

    Comment by olbroad — March 13, 2007 @ 6:14

  9. I don’t know of any homosexuals who have been discriminated against.

    Jesus, we’ve been over this before. If you think gays aren’t discriminated against, you either don’t understand what discrimination means or you are insanely bad at applying logic.

    realized for ourselves, yes, it is immoral.

    Just how did you come to this conclusion on your own?

    Discriminating gay people is quite different on the bigot scale than disliking hillbilly music (btw – I’ve got Dwight Yoakam, George Straight, Johnny Cash, and Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys on my IPOD).

    I have known gays in the military. Most, I would trust with my life. There are a few I wouldn’t trust with my hairbrush, but then, there are some heterosexuals that fall in that catagory as well.

    Which is all the more reason to think the general is an idiot.

    Comment by Jayce — March 14, 2007 @ 8:46

  10. Pay attention Jayce, I said I didn’t know any PERSONALLY who had been discriminated against. Then “I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, it does.” Sheesh!

    And those named aren’t hillbilly. 🙂 They’re country. Big difference. Bill Monroe, Bill Jorgenson, Mr. Ol’ Broad, Country Gentlemen… that’s hillbilly stuff. LOL

    Comment by olbroad — March 14, 2007 @ 8:54

  11. “Pay attention Jayce, I said I didn’t know any PERSONALLY”

    You said you know homosexuals, and homosexuals are discriminated against by law, so yes, you most certainly do know some that are discriminated against.

    Also, technically your claim was not that you didn’t personally know any. You said you didn’t know of any. Big difference. Who needs to pay attention? 🙂

    Comment by Jayce — March 14, 2007 @ 9:11

  12. Ok, let’s put it this way, they have never said anything to me about it. And I certainly never discriminated against them.

    Comment by olbroad — March 15, 2007 @ 1:04


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