An Ol’ Broad’s Ramblings

May 23, 2007

What is Wrong With This Picture?

Filed under: Borders, Illegals — olbroad @ 8:39


Mexican migrants walk near a sign that reads in Spanish ‘Danger, inhabited area’, as they start their walk to the U.S. in Sasabe, Mexico.



  1. What’s wrong with that pic?? I’ll tell ya what’s wrong with that pic…

    There’s not an American gun crew manning the .50cal machine guns blowing those bastards to hell and back…

    THAT is what’s wrong with that pic…

    I hope that cleared it up for you… 🙂

    Comment by TexasFred — May 23, 2007 @ 9:49

  2. Why thank you sir! LMAO I needed someone to tell me what the problem was. 🙂

    Comment by olbroad — May 23, 2007 @ 9:58

  3. My pleasure… 🙂

    Comment by TexasFred — May 23, 2007 @ 10:02

  4. Hey ‘ol broad, nice to know where your lines are as far as decency goes.

    Fuck, you Republicans are nuts.

    Comment by Jayce — May 24, 2007 @ 10:36

  5. You really need to get a sense of humor Jayce.

    Comment by olbroad — May 24, 2007 @ 10:52

  6. “Decency?”

    Why do a pot & kettle immediately come to mind?

    Comment by Calvin — May 24, 2007 @ 10:54

  7. Someone hand Cal a tissue…

    If that comment was humorous to you, you’re probably a sick person. Somehow though, I doubt it was intended to be humorous.

    Comment by Jayce — May 24, 2007 @ 11:39

  8. Self-reflection, fella. It’ll do you a world of good – if you let it.

    Comment by Calvin — May 24, 2007 @ 11:44

  9. Jayce, just so you know, it wasn’t meant to be humorous… Does that clear it up for you??

    And btw, nice mouth you have on you, I’m impressed with the “F” bomb on this nice lady’s blog site… Very impressed…

    And also, to clear matters even further for you, I’m not a Republican…

    Comment by TexasFred — May 24, 2007 @ 12:42

  10. 🙂

    Comment by olbroad — May 24, 2007 @ 12:47

  11. Let’s see… what’s worse? A word, or wishing we killed a bunch of innocent people?

    You’re one sorry dude if you’re serious. For everyone’s sake, I hope you’re not.

    Comment by Jayce — May 24, 2007 @ 1:41

  12. Jayce you are on crack. First off these are not innocent people they are criminals. Second they are not protected citizens they are trespassers. Third, their govt. is aiding and abetting them invading my country. Before you get your undies in a bundle…yes they are invading. They were not invited in and they are breaking the law of the land they are invading. Sort of similar to a home invasion. As for the killing a bunch of people…have you seen mexican borders? I have when I go down for business and yes the are manned by large caliber machine gun crews. It sort of freaked me out the first time I saw it. Also guess what…you need an ID to prove that you are allowed to cross said borders and if you fail to do so they will shoot you. So tell me why I am evil for wanting to seal the borders the same way those folks seal theirs.

    Comment by fishaddict — May 24, 2007 @ 3:38

  13. Fishaddict, they’re not even trespassers, they are INVADERS and I suppose I have offended Jayce’s delicate sensitivities but what the hell, it’s what I do best, piss off the bleeding hearts that would give this nation away…

    Jayce, if some burglar kicks in YOUR front door, what the hell are you going to do oh well spoken one??

    Sit back and let em steal everything you have??

    Well here’s the deal you big WUSS, I live in a GUN state and I love it, I live in a state that says if you come to MY house and start some ‘stuff’, I can blow your damned head off, and I love it…

    I spent my life in a dual career, Military and Law Enforcement, and lemme tell you something, it’s people like YOU that are going to destroy the USA…

    Comment by TexasFred — May 24, 2007 @ 4:31

  14. And Jayce, just so you know, it’s not EVERYONE that has to worry about people like me, the only ones that need to worry are the ILLEGAL INVADERS and assholes like you that thinks they’re innocent…

    Comment by TexasFred — May 24, 2007 @ 4:36

  15. I’m picturing the rational republicans doing the whole “shut up… shut up” under their breaths, embarrassed by the craziness shown here by the nuts on their side. Ol broad – now you see what I was talking about. No humor intended by these guys. Plain good ol fashioned sickos.

    Hey Fish, I’m a criminal too. I speed from time to time, I stole a candy bar when I was 5, I’ve lighted off my share of bottle rockets, and I once ripped that “Warning” tag off my mattress. Should I be shot?

    I understand there are varying degrees of crime, but you seriously think these people should be shot? We don’t even shoot rapists. Do you think illegal immigrants are worse than rapists?

    You’re point that illegal immigrants are like people who break into our homes is extremely bad. People who break into homes offer no benefit to anyone but themselves. Illegal immigrants offer many benefits (which very likely outweigh the negatives).

    And the point about wanting to defend our border the way you think they defend their border doesn’t make much sense either. You wouldn’t want to attack Islamic children just because they attack ours… Well… maybe you would…

    I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to be using Mexico as a role model for anything.

    I’m really confused why those on the right think illegal immigrants are as horrible as you guys think they are. They’re clearly not. If they continue to come over at the present rate, there will definitely be a time when their negatives would outweigh their positives, but that time isn’t now. And even if you think, on balance, illegal immigrants are worse for this country right now, you can’t possibly put up a real argument that it is a HUGE problem. Hell, most of you sound like they’re coming over here to rape your wives.

    Comment by Jayce — May 24, 2007 @ 4:42

  16. Hi Fred. You didn’t offend me, but I’ve obviously got you riled up. Thanks for making me smile.

    We should have a pissing contest sometime, Fred. You seem to really like that kind of “manly” shit. We can see who can piss the farthest, arm wrestle, then see who has the bigger dick. Arrr-arr-arr :Tim Allen Voice:

    Sorry my understanding something makes you upset. I’ll knock my head a few hundred times against a brick wall tonight until I believe these people are coming to take my stuff. Then we can talk on the same level…

    Comment by Jayce — May 24, 2007 @ 4:50

  17. “I understand there are varying degrees of crime, but you seriously think these people should be shot?”
    Yes, I do, as well as murderers and child molesters…

    “You wouldn’t want to attack Islamic children just because they attack ours… Well… maybe you would…”
    Yes, as a matter of fact, I do, but you see, the difference between you and me is, I have BALLS..

    “I’m really confused why those on the right think illegal immigrants are as horrible as you guys think they are. They’re clearly not.”
    Come on down here to Texas, I’ll take you to spots that will have you pissing your pants, then YOU tell me what kind of perceived threat level you feel…

    Jayce, you’re a typical bleeding heart libber that likely has never seen much of the real world, I am not saying this to denigrate you but here’s the deal, we ARE under attack and it’s people like you that vote for and sustain the politicians that ALLOW it to happen…

    Comment by TexasFred — May 24, 2007 @ 4:51

  18. ““You wouldn’t want to attack Islamic children just because they attack ours… Well… maybe you would…”
    Yes, as a matter of fact, I do, but you see, the difference between you and me is, I have BALLS..

    Game, set, match. I win. This guy is clearly crazy.

    Comment by Jayce — May 24, 2007 @ 4:58

  19. Crazy?? Maybe, but I won’t bow to Islam or the wetbacks, and even little pissant lefty trolls like you can benefit from the actions of those that ARE willing to stand and fight FOR this nation as opposed to AGAINST her…

    Game, set and match?? Hardly…

    Comment by TexasFred — May 24, 2007 @ 5:06

  20. Jayce,
    I would not want to shoot little jihadi kids if they attacked my children because my children would wipe the planet up with them and not need dad to handle it. But if you are asking if they should be defended against if they attack the answer is yes. That would be for my kids to handle and they can just fine.

    If you believe that these invaders add something to society you have your head in a warm smelly orifice. They are bankrupting our health care system by going to ERs and getting treatment they do not pay for, they apply for and receive assistance via social programs that they do not pay into and the crime they bring with them costs us in lives and fiscally.

    The fact that they send most of their money back to Mexico means they do not spend it here so in essence, they do not have any added value. Why do you think their government puts up the signs? They want those people to come here and send money home. Mexico makes out well that way.

    We need to annex Mexico and make it a state so they can be taxed to death like the rest of us.

    Comment by Big Dog — May 24, 2007 @ 5:20

  21. By the way, anyone who is upset with amnesty needs to sign the petition.

    Text here with a link to the petition.

    Comment by Big Dog — May 24, 2007 @ 5:22

  22. Yo, Jayce, I agree with Texas Fred and I’m a registered Democrat. They need an armed presence there. A couple of 50 cal machine guns and maybe even a couple of snipers would help.

    Comment by Carl — May 24, 2007 @ 5:27

  23. Time after time I have written article after article demonstrating the very opposite that jayce seems to understand. for some reason he looks past all the hundreds of thousands of examples of why this is bad and simply wishes that people are better then they are. Fred on the other hand has witnessed and dealt with the consequences of illegal immigration and would do anything to put a stop to this.
    We can’t stick our heads in the sand and simply hope that all who come here are going to play nice. It is our obligation s a country and a people to choose who we let in and what access they will be permitted to have. This is our house!
    Visit my blog if you want to see factual calm discussion on this issue and others. I have many articles on immigration.
    Visit Texasfred’s blog if you want to see clear no holds back, save America first opinion on this issue and many others.

    Comment by ablur — May 24, 2007 @ 5:31

  24. Jayce, what is the color of the sky in your fantasy world?

    Seriously though, having an armed presence along the U.S./Mexican border is desirable. You assume it is for shooting those crossing over illegally. Frankly it is more for the armed coyotes and drug dealers who already are attacking people along the border including border patrol agents who are outgunned. But apparently you overlooked that little fact, eh? Perhaps intentionally? However those crossing the border illegally are breaking the law and they should suffer the consequences for their illegal activities. Line ’em up against a wall and shoot them all? Of course not. However granting them amnesty is about the worst thing possible to offer. Now I suggest you take your snarkiness, your arrogance, your incivility, your vitriol and your nonsense and move along to blogs that welcome such liberalness like Daily Kos, Huffington Post, etc. They’ll welcome your brand of intelligent discourse (and I use that term EXTREMELY loosely and with tongue firmly planted in cheek) with open arms.

    Comment by Carl — May 24, 2007 @ 5:33

  25. Gee Ablur, are you saying I’m not calm?? 😕

    Sorry buddy, I couldn’t resist… LMAO…

    Comment by TexasFred — May 24, 2007 @ 5:34

  26. What’s wrong with this picture is the question. (There aren’t any A-10s sweeping in on strafing runs with 30MM cannon blazing)

    Now I have a question. Why so so many Commies seem to think these greasers have a right to be in ‘my country’? Fortify the border and declare open season, I say.

    Comment by Basti — May 24, 2007 @ 5:35

  27. well Fred, I don’t think anyone would call me out of line saying what I did. Besides you know I keep coming back for that very reason. I don’t need a candy coating to swallow the truth. Yet, there are some…….

    Comment by ablur — May 24, 2007 @ 5:39

  28. I’m really confused why those on the right think illegal immigrants are as horrible as you guys think they are.

    Maybe because they’re ILLEGAL?

    Shoot the Bastards where they stand, the desert creatures need the food.

    Remember, after you shoot them, put one more round in the head just to make sure.

    Comment by Ranando — May 24, 2007 @ 5:53

  29. Mexico has soldiers on their border keeping everyone not authorized to come in OUT of their country.. but the USA is supposed to sit back and leave the door open (and the bum flap) and allow a free for all.. I sure hope the Mexican Invaders move to the community of ya’ll that support this and not mine.

    And their first crime is breaking and entering, after that they have to back up that criminal activity with others including lying about being illegal and using forged id’s.. as well as getting governemnt paid for (paid for by OUR tax dollars) entitlement programs (educations for their children, WIC, food stamps, HUD etc..) not to mention the free medical care they steal.. yes, STEAL.. they go to the hospital knowing they can get care and knowing they won’t pay for it in any way.

    They are stealing jobs.. I reject the idea that they are doing jobs Americans won’t do.. HOW do people know this, just because one person won’t do them doesn’t mean others won’t. They are stealing tax money, stealing monies that would be paid in to Social Security.. STEALING!

    They come here burn our flag call us names, say nasty (often vile) things about US and try to claim this was their land first?? I am part native American, this was MY peoples land before any part belonged to Spain. I have just as much of a claim on this land as anyone with one iota of Native American blood. The difference is I LOVE this country and the freedoms it stands for, I want to be an American, I want to uphold all this country stands for, all my ancestors who fought in every war in this country fought for.

    Yes, this IS a country of immigrants.. LEGAL immigrants.. I have several immigrant ancestors that came to this country through Ellis Island and some who were even indentured servants (little better than slaves) and they wanted to be a part of this country.. but the difference is they wanted to be AMERICAN’S, to be a part of the greatness of thie nation, they did not fight to make this country into some shell of what it was founded to be.

    I welcome immigrants, legal immigrants.. and not those that would bastardize what this country stands for and was intended to be.

    Olbroad, I must apologize, this has turned into a rant.. I just get so angry when people are so eager to allow this country to be raped by people that obviously hate us…

    Comment by LittleOleLady — May 24, 2007 @ 6:18

  30. LOL Are you kidding? This has been the most fun I’ve had all day. All I had to do was sit back and watch the fur fly.

    Sometimes, I too tolerant, so when there are folks who are able to put it all into words, who am I to get in the way. 🙂

    Comment by olbroad — May 24, 2007 @ 6:45

  31. I’m laughing way too hard at you guys to respond right now; I’ll save that for tomorrow.

    It’s also nice to know that racial slurs are acceptable here. If Fred wants to show that he’s a blatant racist, I don’t have a problem with it. It just strengthens my position. But I’ve been threatened with censorship before, so I’d be a bit careful how it makes you look when you let racial slurs slide but have a problem with other stuff.

    Comment by Jayce — May 24, 2007 @ 6:52

  32. Here’s hoping Jayce runs for public office. hehe… what fun it would be to show how FREAKIN’ STUPID he/she is. I think I’ll head over to said blog and bait. NOT!

    Comment by Butch — May 24, 2007 @ 6:54

  33. LMAO.. So now I’m a racist…

    Because I want to stop the ILLEGAL invaders, wetbacks, and because I want to stop the radical ragheads that seek to kill us for be us…

    Lemme explain something to you Jayce, you little bleeding heart fruitcake, being called a racist by the likes of you is a compliment of the highest order, it means I am doing it the RIGHT way…

    Comment by TexasFred — May 24, 2007 @ 6:57

  34. The United States should take a lesson from Mexico when it comes to immigration, Jayce. You ever looked at their immigration laws? Not that anyone is standing in line…maybe some Guatemalans, Hondurans, or Costa Ricans, but they don’t want to be Mexican citizens…they’re just trying to get here. But seriously, you should glance at them some time. I think you’d have to shift your relative scale of what exactly is “nuts” (to leave out the explicative color you added). Open borders to a sovereign nation is NUTS, plain and simple. It doesn’t matter if their Canadians, Mexicans or Cubans, they ought to have to stand in the same line as everyone else. You don’t reward criminal behavior with a fast track to citizenship…unless you’re a democrat. THAT, my friend, is “nuts”.

    Comment by Wadical — May 24, 2007 @ 7:01

  35. Is it Jayce or Joyce?

    Either way, BANG!

    Comment by Ranando — May 24, 2007 @ 7:22

  36. A good Hillbilly would be playing dueling Banjos and seeing if they could squeel like a pig.

    Oh! I’m sorry – I got this mixed up with another problem!

    10-4 Willy

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    Comment by Hillbilly Willy — May 24, 2007 @ 7:32

  37. I’ve gotta admit that I saw a couple lines here that made me grimace, but since our secular-fundamentalist friend is not by any means a stranger to his own prejudice and hate, I just don’t have any tears to shed for him.

    Self-reflection: it’s a beautiful thing.

    Comment by Calvin — May 24, 2007 @ 9:03

  38. […] — olbroad @ 9:07 It seems I stirred up quite a hornet’s net this afternoon with a picture I posted last night. That’s ok, sometimes ya just gotta do it. I wasn’t here the […]

    Pingback by What I Think « An Ol’ Broad’s Ramblings — May 24, 2007 @ 9:07

  39. Wow ol broad got the idiots out of the woodwork on this one.

    Jayce; You obviously have a real sense of self gratification over the invasion of our country.

    You must be a welfare recipient or an out of work law suit pending nutbasket.
    Either way, realize that your mama is eventually going to boot your ass out of her basement, and when the Governement goes broke because of these INVADERS and you can’t afford your Crack fix don’t come crying to big bad Republicans to fix it.

    Comment by Robert — May 24, 2007 @ 9:26

  40. The problem is the fact that they feel they can waltz into this SOVEREIGN nation without being challenged – try walking into THEIR country, and see how far you get before your family is searching for your shallow grave…

    Double standards are unacceptable. If you don’t want people coming into your country without permission, don’t send them into ours without permission.

    Comment by cary — May 24, 2007 @ 11:06

  41. Cute, Jayce, that your first reply used the “N” word for Republicans. Are you illegal?

    Maggie’s Notebook

    Comment by Maggie M. Thornton — May 24, 2007 @ 11:32

  42. I may actually be nuts…but I’m a happy nut. 🙂

    Comment by olbroad — May 25, 2007 @ 9:53

  43. Was my post too long?

    Comment by Jayce — May 25, 2007 @ 11:47

  44. Guess so… I’ll break it up

    Where did you all come from?!? Did Racist Fred send out a mass email to his nutcase friends to come help him out? Seriously, I’ve replied on here many times and I’ve never seen most of you. Very strange that so many people without a clue suddenly show up…

    So much to respond to… I’ll try to take them one at a time.

    But first, to my BFF Cal. Cal, I think you’re a clown. But you’re clearly more intelligent and humane than these people. Guys like you aren’t a disgrace to this country.

    Racist Fred – You continue to use racial slurs. I don’t know why I should listen to racists idiots who are in favor of attacking children. Game, set, match. Most fuckin’ definitely. I don’t have time for your brand of macho-ism. You’re an embarrassment to your country.

    Comment by Jayce — May 25, 2007 @ 11:47

  45. Big Dog – If you think that the illegal immigrants offer nothing good, you have no clue what you’re talking about. At least admit that they lower prices… C’mon, don’t be a moron.

    Ablur – I’d love to debate you on whether or not, on balance, right now, illegal immigration is helping the country. You seem to have an IQ higher than 40, so it could make for an interesting debate. Please though, don’t attribute beliefs to me that I do not have. I do not believe we should sit and do nothing about illegal immigration. In short, I’d like to see us make legal immigration a much easier process, particularly for higher skilled workers. I’d also like to see ID cards given out to American citizens. These cards would have to be virtually impossible to copy. That way we can get serious about punishing businesses who hire illegals. If we take away the prospect of work, it logically follows that fewer immigrants will want to come here (because despite what people like Racist Fred think, most are coming here to better their lives and their families lives).

    Carl – Your responses about armed coyotes and drug dealers is entirely off topic. Try to stay focused… You’re sane enough to know we shouldn’t shoot people coming across the boarder. Unfortunately others are not so sane. And again, I never said we should grant them amnesty. Reading comprehension, my friend. Look into it. Oh, and I’ve posted on liberal sites and blogs before. They always call me a neo-con. And say hi to your buddy Racist Fred for me.

    Basti – What bar did you meet Racist Fred at? It’s a shame that guys like you vote…

    Comment by Jayce — May 25, 2007 @ 11:48

  46. Ranando – So we shoot anybody doing illegal stuff? Should we shoot your wife when she speeds? Just because someone does something illegal doesn’t mean they should be shot. Try to think for a second and come up with a logical answer to my question…

    Racist Fred Part II – More reading comprehension problems… I didn’t say we shouldn’t do anything about it. In fact, I believe I said that we should. And as for them stealing our jobs – you are correct about that. The people I.I. hurt most are the lowest skilled workers. But most economists believe the cost of providing them with some health care, plus the cost of educating their children, plus the cost of them taking some jobs from low skilled workers, does NOT outway the benefits they produce in the way of lowering prices and paying into social security without taking out. I know you don’t want to believe that, but it is what most of the leading economists believe (at least from what I’ve read, and almost all leading economists are right-leaning) . I can give you links if you’d like. Again, that is just describing the present moment. If they keep coming, and they certainly will, things will go bad fast. That is why I’m in favor of change. And you really should get a grip on the type of people coming over here. From every study I’ve read, they’re not any more likely to commit crimes (aside from the obvious – being illegal) than native born Americans. Seriously, dude. Read something. You’ll surely claim that you have, so post some links. Try not to rely on racism.

    Wadical – are any of you able to comprehend??? Where did I advocate open borders??? Jesus, dude, slow down and pay attention. You do raise a good point though: nobody is trying to get into Mexico. One extremely favorable outcome of NAFTA is that it will improve the economics of Mexico, exponentially reducing the amount of Mexicans that want to come here.

    Ranando Part II – It’s called reading. Find a 1st grader and have him teach you.

    Comment by Jayce — May 25, 2007 @ 11:48

  47. Hillbilly Willy – I can’t help but here those dueling banjos playing in my head while I read these people’s posts.

    Robert – At first I was sure that you were actually on my side, disguising yourself as one of them and purposely making completely ass-backwards comments. Now I’m thinking that you’re actually serious, though it is amazing that someone could be that off… Your first comment about idiots coming out of the woodwork is hilarious since I probably have more posts on here than all these other posters combined. So, by definition, they’re the ones coming out of the woodwork. So thanks for calling them idiots. :HIGH FIVE: Then, you claim that I must be a welfare recipient because I’m advocated not shooting illegal immigrants. Now what sense would that make, Einstein? If I was on welfare I clearly wouldn’t want immigrants competing with me for jobs. You’re like a hilarious Saturday Night Live skit; the guy whose point is diametrically opposed to what he says. Funny stuff indeed.

    Cary – I don’t disagree with anything you said, though I caution you on using Mexico as a role model.

    Maggie – The “N” word is now “nuts”? That’s your contribution to this discussion?? Nice work…

    To all of you – using the term “invaders” is a complete degradation of what the word actually means. The vast majority of them are not coming here to do anything but provide a better life for their families. It is an absolute joke to speak of them as animals trying to over-run our country. How did you lose site of that?

    Furthermore, while it is extremely important to figure out a way to control the number of immigrants allowed into our country (please read that as many times as necessary so as to avoid mischaracterizing my stance), it is important to know that they are providing a lot of benefits and throwing them all out, aside from being impractical, is also not the most desirable answer. Again, it isn’t what you’d like to hear, but it is likely true, according even to top Republican economists.

    Issue aside, believing that we should shoot down these people is a Neanderthal idea that is not only despicable, but an extremely sad indicator of the kind of scum we have in this country.

    Comment by Jayce — May 25, 2007 @ 11:49

  48. In answer to your question on #44…yes, it was, so it went into “waiting for moderation” mode. Which I did, then after you reposted your speech, deleted.

    #1 – As to your assertion that just because you frequent my blog and have not seen some of these fine folks before means they never come here? There are many blogs I read but have never commented on. Does that mean I don’t read them?

    #2 – FRED IS NOT A RACIST! Why is it that when someone wants to defend his homeland from invaders, the left screams ‘racist’? All of these gentlemen have served their country, and continue to do so. Fred, Robert, and Big Dog I KNOW are veterans. Show due respect!

    #3 – Your battle with Cal, while occasionally amusing does get tiresome at times. He gives you facts, you insult his intelligence, and it goes back and forth. Get over it.

    #4 – HELL YEAH I’d shoot anyone coming into my home without an invitation. That is exactly what is happening on our border and I wish you would understand that protecting your home and family comes way before any liberal agenda.

    Comment by olbroad — May 25, 2007 @ 1:03

  49. This has been by far the most entertaining thread I have seen in a long while. The battle of words between Cal & Jayce has become stale, but this is down right fun to read. Jayce gets every bit as much as he gives.

    Just a question for those who want to shoot first and ask questions later? What happens when LEGAL mexican immigrants start getting gunned down simply because they are hispanic? Because if we go down the road where we are shooting illegal mexicans, eventually you are going to start hitting ones who are here legally? Do we then get to use the gas Chamber on the happy gunmen? Or will the right just try and say it is a “Tragic Accident”

    Comment by Sean — May 25, 2007 @ 2:15

  50. Jayce gets every bit as much as he gives

    True, but in a much less intelligent way…

    Comment by Jayce — May 25, 2007 @ 2:19

  51. Ol Broad,

    Thanks for removing my duplicate post.

    #1. I just can’t believe they’d all just jump out like this. I guess though, it shows the irrational views of some people on this topic. But the comment by the guy who said I jumped out of the woodwork… that’s comedy you don’t find everyday.

    #2. It has NOTHING to do with protecting the country, and you absolutely know it. C’mon, don’t play that card; it’s WAY beneath you. I’m calling him a racist because he continually used a racist term. It’s very simple, actually.

    #3. Obviously your lovefest with the guy would lead you to that conclusion. I don’t expect to win many public opinion battles here given you all share the same views. I will say that I was surprised at the comments I got at my site in our debate there. I dont’ know who these people are, but they were feeling almost sorry for Cal) Remember though, providing links doesn’t equate to giving facts. But as far as me getting over it?? Well, that just proves you are biased. He’s the one that keeps after me, just like he did here, no? That’s what I thought.

    #4. Anyone that can’t see a difference between someone breaking into your home and immigrants illegally sneaking across the boarder has some serious, serious problems. Again – you can’t show any statistics that show they’re more likely to commit crime (other than being illegal) than American born citizens. They’re not coming here to do harm; I can’t figure out how you became so brainwashed.

    I always considered myself way more right than left. I’m doing my best to remind myself that 90% of the right would think you guys are nuts for shooting them, but it’s getting harder and harder to not think you’re all crazy in the head.

    Comment by Jayce — May 25, 2007 @ 2:48

  52. In reference to 4 and 47, how much intelligence does it take to refer to Republicans as “nuts,” in your first post, in a discussion that began by pointing out the difficulty of keeping illegals out this country.

    And, you call that a “contribution” to this discussion? Nice work. Is that all?

    BTW, we don’t think about shooting legal Mexicans. We subsidize the average LEGAL and ILLEGAL household with over $30,000 annually while such households pay in a really tacky $10,500 in taxes. This average hold has an average 1.6 workers and earns wages of $29,000+ a year.

    This is a huge drag on the American economy – $89.1 Million per year. As you get older, you cost us more.

    If you want to whine about the illegals paying into social security taxes and expecting not to receive a penny of it because…why?…they are illegal – this is a fact: For each $1 paid into their illegal account, they receive $10.00 in other subsidies. They pay $1 – they get back $10.

    And the thing that really makes my blood boil is that Mexicans are stealing our social security numbers. There is no excuse for this. You want to talk about what a man you are Jayce? Stand up for at least some principles. Do you not care at all that many, many American’s are abused by illegals? Property is trashed, identities stolen, credit trashed, hospitals filled to overflowing, and the crime! Mexican gangs, drunks, no insurance, some being supported by more taxpayer dollars in prison – taking precious time from police and fire departments – time stolen from protection of American citizens, putting police and border guards at risk, because surely even you cannot think that an illegal should have the right to put anyone’s health and safety at risk.

    Then you protest in the streets with your Mexican flags!

    Mexico is an unbelievably beautiful and oil rich country, with many other resources to bring up the standard of living there. The corrupt government is abided and ignored. Think about spending your time helping the Mexican people make their own homeland all it can be.

    Honestly, it’s like the Palestinians who could never bring anything in the desert to bloom or fruition by themselves – needed the Jews to do it for them.

    Maggie’s Notebook

    Comment by Maggie M. Thornton — May 25, 2007 @ 3:11

  53. You’re wasting time Maggie, Jayce is a bleeding heart libber that loves wetbacks…

    And as I said, being called a racist by the likes of a fruitcake as Jayce is a compliment…

    And Jayce, that rather androgynous name you have, please define, are there any BALLS involved or are you a Rosie wannabe??

    Comment by TexasFred — May 25, 2007 @ 3:32

  54. Hi Maggie!

    Care to offer a link to your numbers? I’d like to check it out. (I mean that sincerely)

    People who want to shoot mexicans coming across that line are “nuts”. I can’t think of any way around that.

    Sorry I offended you with my “contributions” comment. It doesn’t really work when you turn it around on me though, does it. I mean, seriously…

    And please tell me where I was whining about illegals paying social security? Don’t bother trying; I wasn’t.

    Mexicans are stealing our social security numbers?? Where did that come from?? I know a guy who had his social security number stolen. It was stolen by a white girl from California. Damn white girls…

    You want to talk about what a man you are Jayce?

    I think you’re confusing me with Racist Fred here. I’m not the one oozing machismo.

    And once more, illegals are not committing crime at any higher rate than American citizens. Many studies have shown this. Why do you guys keep claiming a proven falsity?

    “Honestly, it’s like the Palestinians who could never bring anything in the desert to bloom or fruition by themselves – needed the Jews to do it for them.”

    Ahhh… it’s all getting clearer now.

    Comment by Jayce — May 25, 2007 @ 4:20

  55. Hi Racist Fred!

    “Jayce is a bleeding heart libber”

    By libber, do you mean libertarian? You’d be pretty close if that is what you meant.

    “And Jayce, that rather androgynous name you have, please define, are there any BALLS involved or are you a Rosie wannabe??”

    You certainly have an obsession with balls, don’t you? Trying to tell us something, Fred??

    I had a discussion with someone once about the gender specificity of my name. We looked it up online and it came up like 180:1 in favor of boy vs. girl. Not so gender neutral, now is it? And because you are so curious, it is pronounced as one syllable, just like Jas-on without the on. It isn’t pronounced like J.C.

    Comment by Jayce — May 25, 2007 @ 4:30

  56. Clown? Nah, I just happen to notice pots & kettles when I see ’em.

    Comment by Calvin — May 25, 2007 @ 5:00

  57. Jayce:

    The argument is very simple and cogent: no nation can stand with undefended, open borders. Mexico is a sovereign nation and has not only a right, but an obligation and a duty to vet those who cross her borders. It is the same with Canada to our north.

    Therefore, such it should be with the United States. This country, hell, every country, stands or falls with these three concepts: Culture, Borders, Language. Each country has its own clearly delineated borders, its own language, its own history and, as a result of all of those things, its own language.

    President Theodore Roosevelt was remarkably prescient when he wrote, in a 1919 letter to the American Defense Society:

    “In the first place we should insist that the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equity with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming an American and nothing but an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any flag of a nation to which we are hostile. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language…and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”

    Roosevelt also made a statement to the Kansas City Star in 1918:

    “Every immigrant who comes here should be required within five years to learn English or to leave the country. English should be the only language taught or used in the public schools.”

    English is the universal, the global language of success. Ask any international airport tower controller. They ALL speak English.

    Yet we fail to even insist upon this in our own country.

    There is a REASON, you see, that illegal immigrants wish to come to this country; those obvious reasons don’t have to be delineated here. But each country, unto itself has a right, an obligation, a duty to its citizens to know PRECISELY who enters its sovereign soil. We do NOT want those inflicted with disease. We do NOT want another country’s criminals. We do NOT wish to make our northern and southern borders, or our coastal shores, sufficiently porous that anyone wishing to do us harm, in these times, may enter with little if any effort.

    Getting one’s ankles damp crossing the Rio Grande does not constitute citizenship. Money sent back to Mexico does not constitute citizenship. Refusing to assimilate does not constiture citizenship. Speaking Spanish and refusing to learn the native language does not constitute citizenship. Flooding a country with another’s demographics does not constitute citizenship. Taking advantage of a given country’s GENEROUS services does not constitute citizenship.

    Amnesty, failing to control our borders, failing to deport those who break our laws, paying for social services to lawbreakers is a SLAP IN THE FACE to all lawful, sovereign United States citizens and, in particular, to those who DID manage to wait in line, who DID manage to take the test, who DID foreswear allegiance to our nation, who DID manage to take to task each and every step required to be a LAWFUL, LEGAL American citizen.

    Securing our borders and our shores isn’t a “nice” thing or an “option;” it’s a DUTY to every legal resident. I couldn’t care less about your name or who you are; it’s your ideas that require a response. Ideas that are rooted in sheer naivete and a lack of understanding how nation-states continue to function AS nation-states. I don’t doubt you’re a “good person.” I do, however, your ability to do what I call the “logical extension” to one’s acts. Every act has consequences; open borders proffer NO long term positives for this nation.

    I’ll sum it up:

    I don’t like Mexico. It’s too hot. I don’t like their cramped cities. They have no trees. They have no wood. That’s why they build with concrete. I don’t like their five-family oligarchy. I don’t like the huge, the massive disparity between the ruling elite and the masses. Mexico is a wealthy country rife with corruption on every level, designed to keep the wealth into the few blessed, elite families. I don’t like their politics, I don’t like their government (such as it is), I don’t like their corrupt military, I don’t like their corrupt police forces, their corrupt judiciary, their corrupt executive branch. I don’t like upside-down American flags hanging under Mexican flags. And I hate Mariachi music.

    Further, whilst on the topic of open borders and/or assault from within:

    I don’t like Islam. I don’t like what it represents. I don’t want to get on my knees and pray to Mecca five times daily. I don’t like one-piece garments or their stupid little hats. I don’t like birkas or hajibs or any other manner of Islamic dress. I love and respect my wife (who, by the way, is Mexican. And legal: she was born in the US.) I don’t like clitorectomies. I don’t like misogyny. I like my women free to choose their dress and their lives. I don’t believe that, upon a martyr’s death, they’ll be graced with 72 virgins. I believe their evil acts will place them directly in the throes of a burning, twisting, carboned Hell. I don’t like their stupid little rituals. I don’t even remotely admire a stone age culture that can’t recognize reason and logic.

    “There’s a REASON people are willing to die to come to this country the way it is.

    Think about that.

    The way it is — not the way it will be.”


    Comment by Bloviating Zeppelin — May 25, 2007 @ 5:42

  58. Jayce: All of the information is from the Heritage Foundation and Pew. It’s all clearly stated and presented. The links are on my website in one place. I posted these articles before seeing your comments here. You can also go to the Heritage Foundation and sort through it.

    #15 – your last paragraph: the links below refute your comments. The time for “negative” is here right now – that is a “real” argument and it is a HUGE problem for American citizens. Links below below:

    You certainly didn’t offend me with the “contribution” reference…and yes, turning it around worked extremely well.

    The “you” whining – entirely possible, but if not “you” then others – many of them on Capitol Hill. It is one of the major defenses in support of letting illegals stay – they’ve paid in. Problem is, the get back more than they pay in.

    Millions of stolen and fake social security numbers by ILLEGALS and some white girls too. The numbers are stolen or manufactured – just google it. Some of the manufactured cards are real, all of the stolen are real. Remember, none can hold a job without a SS number, unless they are day laborers, paid on the spot, and skipping over the border each night.

    The law protects SS fraud and BECAUSE of the illegal payments into the fund, the government will not give out info or stop it. It’s a cash cow if you work within the SS compound – a huge loss if you work in budget analysis.

    The “manly” reference isn’t confused. You started it in #16. A man would respond to significant issues, like the reality of the origins of poverty in Mexico due to corruption; like the ability to use the Mexico’s resources for a better life, like the anguish of Americans suffering under the circumstances mentioned in #52..

    Darn! I gave it away, I guess, when I mentioned Palestine and Israel. I forgot how clever you are.

    Check-out those numbers. After pounding away on your calculator, I know you’ll have an argument for me.

    Maggie’s Notebook

    Comment by Maggie M. Thornton — May 25, 2007 @ 6:37

  59. Hi BZ,

    “The argument is very simple and cogent: no nation can stand with undefended, open borders. ”

    Agreed. I’m 100% against open borders. I’ve said so plenty of times, yet the only way you guys can hold an argument with me is to attribute beliefs to me that I don’t have.

    Comment by Jayce — May 29, 2007 @ 9:02

  60. “All of the information is from the Heritage Foundation”

    This really couldn’t get any easier…

    “You certainly didn’t offend me with the “contribution” reference…and yes, turning it around worked extremely well.”

    No, since this whole thing is pretty much because of me, it doesn’t. Are you sure you know what “contribution” means?

    As for the rest of your post, I really can’t even follow what the hell you’re talking about.

    Comment by Jayce — May 29, 2007 @ 9:08

  61. So do you have some information more comprehensive than the Heritage Foundation?

    I can understand that you cannot understand.

    Maggie’s Notebook

    Comment by Maggie M. Thornton — May 30, 2007 @ 5:57

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